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abdelouahed

Member Since 19 Feb 2013
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In Topic: نقاش بالعربية

01 June 2013 - 07:39 PM



You said: "Another problem is the location of Aqaba. I spend all of chapter 23 presenting arguments that Aqaba in southern Jordan is the real Aqaba of Islamic history, and was a major market. (Sīrat Rasūl Allāh, page 198-199) as described in Al Ṭabarī (Volume 6, 1218, page 130-136). The Aqaba near Mecca is a small wadi with no one living close to it, and with no road through it to any place. It is only three miles from the Ka'ba, so how could it be a major market so close to Mecca? I beleive that after the stone was moved to Mecca people began to rename places after the original ones near Petra".

The answer of your question is in the topic: historical roots of Mecca.

In Topic: الجذور التاريخية لمكة شرفها الله تعالى

01 June 2013 - 07:01 PM



The third proof is:

Comparison between Ptolemy's map and google earth:

The distance between the coast and mecca on the same latitude is 38 minute of arc, as it appear in the following image:

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We see from the 1561 map copy that the distance value between centos village ( arab market - intersection of red lines - )and the coast ( intersection of blue and red lines ) is 30 minute of arc and it's very close to our day's results.

Look at the following image

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In Topic: الجذور التاريخية لمكة شرفها الله تعالى

01 June 2013 - 06:10 PM


A second source of Ptolemy's book appears in this link:

http://www.helmink.c... Arabia 05.html

The book is printed in 1561 AD, the coordinates of cities are mentioned by hours and minutes, that means the longest half day in summer solstice for the first values, and the difference between the longest day in summer solstice and the equinox ( equal to 12 hours for all the world ) for the second values.

I've put in red rectangular the city : ARABIA MERCATO that means in Italian " ARAB MARKET ".

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Longest half day = 06 hours 40 minutes.

For the astronomers and mathematicians.

Maths calculations: 1°= 4 minutes ( time)

06H 40M = 100°

We apply the half day formula :

cos(h) = - tang( fi )* tang ( delta)

Where :
fi: latitude of the town.
delta: solstice sun declination ( in ptolemy's age it was = 23.583333°).
h: half day ( in degree)
We extract from the formula : fi = 21.61°

fi = 21° 36'

If we consider the error in calculations in that age this is very close to the latitude of mecca ( 21° 25').

The error comes from: The exact value of half day is: 99.859°.

Dan gibson's question:" Another problem is the location of Aqaba. I spend all of chapter 23 presenting arguments that Aqaba in southern Jordan is the real Aqaba of Islamic history, and was a major market. (Sīrat Rasūl Allāh, page 198-199) as described in Al Ṭabarī (Volume 6, 1218, page 130-136). The Aqaba near Mecca is a small wadi with no one living close to it, and with no road through it to any place. It is only three miles from the Ka'ba, so how could it be a major market so close to Mecca? I beleive that after the stone was moved to Mecca people began to rename places after the original ones near Petra".

And this is the answer for Dan gibson's question about the existance of Alaqaba market near mecca which was mentioned in Yaqut Al hamawy's book.

In Topic: نقاش بالعربية

21 May 2013 - 06:10 PM


As well as the historical context of the evolution of the Umayyad state is not convincing at all in non-return of the Black Stone to Petra.

I do not believe they fought Abdullah bin Zubair and won him , then they turned to Qiblah caused by Ibn al-Zubayr, and with their ability and their number and their equipment and their authority, surrendered to the enemy fad and had received Mecca.

In Topic: نقاش بالعربية

21 May 2013 - 05:40 PM


I think that archeology alone is not enough to weighting your point of view, but the material sciences that can decide the case is astronomy, geography and history of their development.

I see that you are not proficient in these two branches of science, as evidenced by the non answer to the question how Nabataeans link between latitude and longitude to find the values of ​​azimuth directions between countries and cities.

The second evidence: the non response on the subject of the historical roots of Mecca wherein historical information outweigh the existence of towns and villages surroundings Mecca and el haram in Saudi Arabia.